Comments on Brian Silberbauer: Plain ol' Servlets and JSP

Thanks for the pointers to various frameworks, I'm...

2009-05-10T15:38:00.000+02:00

Thanks for the pointers to various frameworks, I'm well aware of them.

Brian, have you looked at the Stripes framework? It handles the painful parts of servlet development such as parameter type conversion and then gets out of your way. XML configuration is limited to a few lines in web.xml which you're going to have with any servlet anyway. I think you might really enjoy it.

What I cannot understand is why anyone would want ...

2009-05-08T17:20:00.000+02:00

What I cannot understand is why anyone would want to use an SGML-based notation (e.g. HTML, XML) to encode program logic in the first place. Yes, I know you can abstract out the model logic, but why would you even want to encode _display_ logic using tags? And really, using the HTTPServletRequest and HTTPServletResponse objects as your basic data structure is, well, pretty low-level. Should an application constantly concern itself with details of the HTTP protocol?

I suggest you look at Wicket. No servlets, no JSPs, no tag libraries, no XML; HTML/CSS only for formatting that which is entirely controlled via Java. Significant easy built-in AJAX support, components easy to create and customize.

@Mark Thanks for the comments, but I'm keeping the...

2009-05-08T09:48:00.000+02:00

@Mark Thanks for the comments, but I'm keeping the blog lighter than most technical blogs. We're not discussing serious topics such as love after all, its just zeros and ones.

Interesting thoughts, but the umm's and hahaha's o...

2009-05-07T19:38:00.000+02:00

Interesting thoughts, but the umm's and hahaha's obscure your writing; plus your points aren't very well formed.

Example, sounds like you're dissing all of spring even the IOC and AOP stuff. After just completing a project with servlets and freemarker for the view I was really missing aop for logging and ioc for getting the connection pool.

Honestly, I have come to the same conclusion recen...

2009-05-07T18:48:00.000+02:00

Honestly, I have come to the same conclusion recently after spending years with Struts and Spring, that Servlets and JSPs are certainly sufficient in some cases (perhaps many...). I have found in many cases these frameworks didn't buy me much. Perhaps it makes sense for "large-scale" apps that have large teams. Heck, I've even just used JDBC rather than Hibernate to avoid the headaches I've had with it. Inheritance with good code reuse to remove some of the benefits of needing these frameworks.

I must agree. The frameworks always seem to be a ...

2009-05-07T17:56:00.000+02:00

I must agree. The frameworks always seem to be a "six of one, half a dozen of the other" proposition. If I'm learning complexities, why learn at a higher level where flexibility will be compromised. I have also gone the XSLT route, but I have stuck with it, see tox. The key I've found it keeping it pure view, no control or model allowed in your XSL code.

@Brian I agree with you.Due to too much talk about...

2009-05-07T17:45:00.000+02:00

@Brian I agree with you.Due to too much talk about frameworks, I found some people who have very little knowledge about servlet,jsp,jstl.

>Why are more people not using tag >librarie...

2009-05-07T11:43:00.000+02:00

>Why are more people not using tag >libraries?
they are using them. Really.
We know that from http://servletsuite.com/jsp.htm

The problem was that when AJAX came out and for ab...

2008-07-09T16:06:00.000+02:00

The problem was that when AJAX came out and for about a year afterwards, there were no AJAX supported JSF implementations.

The trouble with being tied to a framework is that if there are changes in the way HTML is being delivered to the browser (in this example the introduction of AJAX), one has to wait until the framework is updated before you can use it in your applications.

Another point is that you are stuck with the way the framework implements a particular functionality (perhaps goin with jquery when you would use mootools etc).

With the JSF and AJAX remark in mind , couldn't on...

2008-07-09T14:43:00.000+02:00

With the JSF and AJAX remark in mind , couldn't one go with Ajax4jsf AND/OR RichFaces ?